Maybe You Should Try Black Jack
That’s what the roulette dealer (spinner?) said as I quickly spun my way through my initial $40. Meanwhile Jessica, the Roulette prodigy, easily (and giddily) doubled the same amount. I’ve never been to Vegas and can’t say that I’ve been all that interested in casinos, so I was surprised to find out how lackluster the odds were at the tables.
After a long day of presenting, mingling, discussing and trying to process all that was going on, Roulette provided the perfect mix of slightly engaged yet brain dead action with a hint of better odds and no counting.
I’ve managed to avoid conferences for my entire career. I’m bad at networking, worse at small talk and even more worse at public speaking. What was I thinking? I suppose, among other things, I was wondering what the heck goes on at a conference geared towards marketing horse racing and what the heck are racing executives like. Were they the hapless, greedy, uncaring, non-email answering lot we’ve made them out to be?
I was pleasantly surprised to find that all the people I spoke to were not only open to what we had to say, they really REALLY wanted to hear it… AND talk about it. It was a profoundly good vibe, something I never expected from any conference let alone a conference on racing.
In fact, after the presentation, aside from all the congratulations (no doubt for setting a world record for “um” usage), more than one person noted that it was a “tough room”. While I didn’t pick up on that, it did seem to me like there were folks who already got what we were saying and others who didn’t but were interested to know more. Perhaps the tough part of the crowd skipped our presentation.
Overall the biggest highlight for me was when Mike Maloney, whale extraordinaire and ardent proponent of wagering integrity, came over to Jessica and I to not only say that he reads both of our blogs (probably just Jessica’s) but to thank us for Self Appointed Fan Committee! I wish I could remember exactly what he said but it was along the lines of “it’s necessary” and “great work”. Totally mind blowing!
In a photo for biggest highlight was breakfast on the second the day with my new bestest pal Alex Waldrop, Mike Maloney, Mel Moser, Jessica, Patrick and non-blogger panel member Troy Racki (founder of the excellent NTRA Ambassador Program).
We sat outdoors on the terrace overlooking the mountains and discussing such topics as “are there different types of blogs” (yes), “turf writers vs. bloggers” (some blogs are more akin to reportage and others aren’t), “the stigma of gambling in the US” (Alex has a loose theory that the puritans are to blame… hint: Australians love gambling), “marketing the “gaming” aspect of racing” (Patrick = no, Mel Moser & me = yes) and probably a lot more I’m not remembering.
The topic of Larry Jones came up (prior to his retirement announcement) and Mike Maloney had a story to tell. At one point he was considering putting horses in training with Jones so he went to barn to get a first hand look at the operation. He was struck by the fact that every horse came up to the front of the stall to say hello as he walked by, unlike other barns where there would always be a number of horses cowering in the back of the stall with pinned ears. The horses at Jones’ barn were happy and well cared for. While not a surprise, nothing like a first person account to validate what you already believe to be true.
Throughout the conference I had a number of occasions to chat one on one with Alex. I found him to be very direct, easy to talk to and generally sincere if not totally down to earth. I don’t envy his job (which I think I mentioned to him several times). Any CEO’s job is to go around selling the vision but in most cases the CEO has the ability to make people get with the vision. Obviously this isn’t the case with the NTRA. As he put it (and I’m paraphrasing), “people think of the NTRA as a trade organization, but that would imply that everyone is of the same trade”. He slightly chuckled at the end of the sentence, sans snorting.
The thing that I liked about both Alex and Keith Chamblin is that they’re not bullshitty. They’re not acting like there aren’t problems, there not acting like they know how best to solve everything and most of all they really do want input (cough, SAFC, cough).
The night before the conference officially kicked off, we were invited to dinner by Keith and John Della Volpe of Social Sphere (the mastermind of the whole task force and man you should thank for pointing out to the NTRA that “your core fans are pissed”).
Dinner was festive and Keith & John were great hosts, although it’s not like it was hard to get the gang to hold forth on any number of topics… how often do you get the ear of the NTRA?
I was a bit reserved (and tired) but Keith yelled across the table “Are you gonna talk about Self Appointed Fan Committee tomorrow?”. As Patrick already alluded, he ran a pretty tight ship on what was included in our recommendation, so fairly early on the group settled on keeping the recommendations focused on creating new fans as opposed to addressing issues that effect existing fans. Since SAFC is specifically for existing fans (I hope new fans aren’t complaining yet!) it didn’t even dawn on me to include it in the presentation (more on the task force and recommendations later!).
Not to disappoint our host, I gladly agreed to talk about SAFC (even though when it came down to it, I stammered and “um”-ed my way though). “We love Self Appointed Fan Committee” he said. “How often do you get to talk to these people, go for it” was his advice. Not only was this exactly the kind of encouragement one would hope for in this situation, it was the correct approach and spirit for reaching out to your loyal fan base and, in part, why I believe them when they say they’re listening.
Alex gave the keynote address at lunch the day of our presentation. He’s a good speaker. At one point he half joked that racing is like a rorschach test, when you look at it do you see a butterfly or a bomb exploding? He said latter that that part was not in his notes and probably a little flip, but I have to say I think there’s some truth in that analogy.
Do you think they’re listening and will to try to make changes or do you think it’s hopeless and anything is too little, too late? Winston is right, we as the really pissed fans have to remain vigilant and part of that vigilance is letting them know what we think. After all, they do after all love SAFC!
The morning of the presentation I had forgotten my badge and had to go back up to my room. On the way back I rode in the elevator with a normal looking guy, probably 30s, khaki shorts, golf shirt, ball cap and freshly opened beer. It was 7:45 am. It was the perfect example of the kind of stuff that stays in Vegas. My suspicion is that the stuff that happened at the conference has left Vegas and will be seen again in the near future.
Posted by dana on Oct 02 2008
Filed Under: Industry, Self Appointed Fan Committee, 2008, NTRA, Marketing, Racing



Excellent re-cap–thanks for filling us in. I can’t say that I wish that I were there…but a situation where talking about writing and racing and marketing is not only accepted but expected and encouraged sounds awfully enticing…
A great story Dana, told as only you can tell it. There’s more to come I hope!
I was of two minds to post this here, or just email you privately, I chose here because I think publicly you’ve said something false.
“As Patrick already alluded, as the leader of the group he ran a pretty tight ship on what was included in our recommendation, so SAFC never really came up as it wasn’t on topic for creating new fans (more on the task force and recommendations later!). - ”
That’s not true. You and Jess were both asked to join the group because you were the creators of an online grassroots organization and were asked to help bring that to the NTRA. I asked many times What can the NTRA do for you, help get your message out, get you in touch w/ the people who can cause change. It was Jess that said “removed a few things, such as Interactive Fan Sites section. I don’t think there’s any value in creating a google group for the 3 of us (SAFC, Thorofan & Hana), we’ve all been in touch with each other
and are discussing how to help one another… the NTRA can’t really do anything in this department that we couldn’t do for ourselves”
i hope when you talk about this more you clear up the fact that I never was against SAFC.
Quotes from the group site from me:
“Dana & Jess who run SAFC - want to know what the NTRA can do for them”
SAFC was in the original outline, the VP position was there as your point person.
VP of online/offline has to be a member of these groups to coordinate efforts that make the group feel empowered and make the NTRA look better. In the outline what isn’t mentioned is that we think the NTRA is kinda scared of these upstart groups, and as mentioned they can’t do everything. It would be much better and much easier for hte NTRA to find the start ups that are doing things the right way, having the
communitiy give back it’s own feedback and allow the NTRA to sort of pitch in when it can. Mentioned ideas have been a google group like this for webmasters of these groups to sort of meet discuss what’s going in each other’s community, that the NTRA has a member in. NTRA = 1 member, w/ maybe 10-15 (not sure amount of sites) that the NTRA person can really be a part of on a daily basis, but also have that person be a member of all these groups, of course not being able to
read all the posts, but keeping an eye on them, letting members know when it’s out of the NTRA hands, or pointing them to the right group of people in charge (horseman, elected officials) I’m sure you see w/ SAFC there’s a lot of shouting and I’d be curious what % of poeple think that the NTRA could fix all their problems, i think people would appreciate the NTRA a lot more if they knew they couldn’t fix
it more, but were willing to point their efforts in a more effective direction.
I also don’t like being mischaracterized when it comes to marketing gambling. When & Where is “where” me and Mel Moser disagree, but not on marketing gambling itself. I’ve made that very clear in many posts in the group site, my blog, and now B’horse.
Thanks for the recap and the link.
I wish your post mentioned the SAFC a little more…
Actually, Patrick, it was Dana who wrote that there was little value in the NTRA creating a Google group for SAFC/HANA/ThoroFan to chat with each other, and for reasons with which I agreed then and still agree.
As for the VP position, I believe that role, as sketched out in the task force document, is still responsible for being the NTRA contact person for these groups and any other initiatives that spring up, membership in fan/horseplayer groups not required. I can’t speak for HANA or ThoroFan, but SAFC doesn’t exist to make the NTRA look better, it exists to give fans a voice, and in no way do I see any benefit to being coordinated by an NTRA point person.
And I see nothing false in Dana’s characterization of your management of the task force …
hey all - thx for the comments! i’ll reply more later as i’m on my phone (total pain)
patrick - I think you’ve read too much into what i’ve said… saying ’so safc never came up as a part of our final presentation…’ would have been a bit more clear and what I was getting at.
more later… thx!
Why it didn’t make the final presentation was not my fault. When the presentation was first being put together I asked everyone to grab something from the outline and write it up. Jess I don’t think wrote anything up for 2 weeks and it wasn’t SAFC, Dana you took sometime as well getting anything in and it wasn’t SAFC. SAFC was on the outline and no one wrote it up, you were asked to be part of the group because of SAFC, I’d say you both had every opporutunity to include but just decided to leave the table.
Patrick, I suggest you take a deep breath, clear your head, and reread Dana’s post and her follow-up comment. There is no complaint about SAFC being left out or overlooked, and there is no reason to belittle or disparage the contributions anyone made to the group. The final presentation was a success, remember?
Nice recap Dana, thanks for info and thanks all for follow up comments.
One thing I heard and always remember–the one thing in common among horse racing fans is that they agree on nothing.
Dana –
Great post. Thanks for the props.
When I mentioned that “fans are pissed” I was referring to the fact that fans are pissed at he industry — and not members of this task force at each other.
Can’t we all just get along?
Have a good weekend everyone — we are organizing a call when Alex gets back to town.
Thanks again,
john
Wow - nice post! most of my feelings were very similar. I was blown away by the “realness” of both Alex and Keith.
You most certainly did not “umm” your way through the presentation - I thought you were fabulous. I thought the biggest faux pas was mine - for when you asked for a glass of water, I froze - like a deer in headlights. “water? what is that? I know I’ve heard this word before! Does she mean a napkin??” By the time I figured out what “water” was - I was next confused as to whether my glass - which I had been drinking from and was geographically closer to you - or your glass , which was slightly farther away. I can’t remember whom - but someone rushed in and took decisive action, as I left you up there wheezing from dry throat. :)
About SAFC - I was very glad you mentioned this in the presentation. I wish it could’ve been a bigger part of the official report itself and I apologize for not communicating that sooner - I should have.
I had a blast with all of you guys, and hope we won’t let little misunderstandings about who said precisely what and what we might have inferred from those comments divide us - we’ve got a ROCK SOLID group that I hope they come back to at some point for more ideas.
In the meantime, I’ll just enjoy being referred to as a recreational drug user on Alex’s “Straight Up” blog (in the reader comments - not from Alex himself - don’t want to misrepresent that)…why that brings me such joy, I’ll never know - but I assure all readers that I have never inhaled Lasix! :)
Kevin, don’t feel bad. Many times over the years I too have confused a napkin with a glass of water.
It’s luck you all have me here to add clarity and scholarship to these important issues.
I just realized you left out something very important in this post: When the dealer said maybe you should try blackjack, I was giddily winning big with every spin of the wheel. That was fun. (Then I lost it all, only to win it back + $24. When are we going to Vegas again?)
Now that I’m back in front of a real keyboard…
Teresa - thanks and yeah, let’s just say it was way better than being in the office!
John - thanks and yes there is, hopefully without any more misunderstandings!
Patrick - see my edit of the passage in question. As I mentioned in my original comment I think you read too much into it. As for the “mischaracterization”, like I told you in the email, I was not and am not privy to any other conversations that you had with Mel Moser. The only thing I heard him say to a somewhat abbreviated point you made at breakfast (compared to your post-conference posts on the subject) was “I disagree”, to which I said to Mel “I agree with you”. As I also told you in the email, feel free to link your various posts elsewhere that more fully explain your point.
Winston - thanks (SAFC), and I know (SAFC)… I really ought to (SAFC) start promoting it more (SAFC)
Jessica - thanks for chiming in to help clarify
Robert - thanks and yes, proven yet again!
John - again, we should be thanking you!
Kevin - you’re too kind, and I had totally forgotten about the water!! ha ha! About SAFC, it’s really more for existing fans, if the task force starts to go in that direction then I think bringing it more into the discussion makes sense. As I told Patrick in an email, if I would have thought for a second that it was on topic for what we were trying to with the presentation, I would have been arguing the point (if necessary) to get it in there.
E - lol! I hope you didn’t mistake that sharp looking tool in your hand at the dog run for anything!
Jessica - ha! it’s in there now.
Thanks for the comments all!
No “thank you” for the clarification?
Oops, I’m so ill mannered! Thanks for the clarification. It’s very important to me that my luck at roulette is properly documented.