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Breeders’ Cup Meeting Recap

All and all I think it went well, but as it stands now, I doubt there will be any changes… at least in the near future. That’s not say that it’s all bad.

In attendance were Peter Rotondo Jr., who invited us, fab filmmaker John Hennegan, who gave me Rotondo’s contact information in the first place, CMO Peter Land, Jessica of Railbird, Michael of Gathering the Wind, Kevin of Colin’s Ghost and Valerie of Foolish Pleasure. Superfecta was scheduled to attend but had a work conflict.

It was a nice vibe and our hosts graciously made us feel welcome. Rotondo kicked us off with a little intro of how we all came to meet and Land gave us a bit of overview of how & why he came to the Breeders’ Cup. As someone with an extensive sports marketing background, the Breeders’ Cup offered him a lot of interesting challenges, namely (as Michael already referenced) that among existing sports fans, fewer than 5% had an unaided awareness of last year’s BC in the week leading up to the event. Pretty dismal, to say the least, and obviously a great marketing challenge.

He was very clear that the main goal of the Breeders’ Cup is growth and that every decision made is with an eye towards making the BC as accessible as humanly possible to potential new fans… and specifically sports fans. The analogy Land used for their goal was the U.S Open. It’s one of those of events that, in addition to core tennis fans, draws a lot of people who don’t pay too much attention to tennis otherwise but look forward to attending the Open every year. Clearly not a one to one as the Open is in a persistent location, it’s easier to understand who’s going to be competing ahead of time + I would be willing to guess the unaided awareness of tennis stars is much higher than horses, but it’s certainly an understandable target.

One of the striking features of the meeting is that they were very happy to explain/illuminate the the internal thought processes and inevitable decisions on all the items we brought up. Charles Eames, in my opinion one of the greatest industrial designers ever, was asked in an interview if design admitted constraint. “Design depends largely on constraints” he answered, and went on to add “the sum of all constraints”. Rotondo and Land were very forthcoming about their constraints and subsequent “design decisions”.

It’s no surprise that their goal of making the BC accessible and easy to understand was the driver for the name change. They found that Distaff was too confusing for potential new fans (fair enough) and while Filly & Mare Classic would have been “the easy choice” they had numbers to prove that the Jaywalking set couldn’t tell what a Filly & Mare is or why they’d want to watch them. With this in mind they choose to dumb it down knowing full well that they were going to take heat from existing fans. It’s not easy to try to come up with a name that meets all their criteria other than Ladies Classic. Give that some thought and look for another SAFC contest about it in the coming weeks!

Hennegan chimed in with an interesting anecdote about their process for the First Saturday in May that drove home the point. When they first started to test it, in the establishing shot of each prep race they included all the info about the race found in the past performance. The introduction for the Whirlaway, for example, displayed New York, Aqueduct, Whirlaway Stakes, 1 1/16th miles, 3yo, $100,000 over a shot of Aqueduct. It tested miserably. After every screening it was a million hands raised with questions. Viewers were confused by all the information being displayed about each race. They slowly whittled it down over a few sessions and finally settled on simply setting up the race with “New York”.

We still tried, unsuccessfully, to make the argument that with the rest of the context that people can probably make the leap. At this time it’s not a risk they’re willing to take.

Land asked us to sell him on the issue with using the word Ladies, as clearly he (and most likely no one else at the BC) is not convinced that there is an issue. We made all the points one would expect… they’re not ladies, it’s not consistent with the rest of the of races which use Filly & Mare, it felt like a slap in the face, particularly in combination with moving the races to Friday etc, etc. They weren’t sold.

The one point they did finally acknowledge as understandable was using the example of the LPGA and WBNA. The LPGA was founded in 1950. The WNBA was founded in 1996. Notice the difference? Generally speaking, sports have been moving away from the using the word Ladies. With a concrete example as proof, they conceded that they could see the point.

As for the format, they made no bones about the fact that they’re sold internally on the current format. In fact, I think it’s safe to say that they love it. I can’t argue that having a Filly & Mare Championship Day is a bad thing, but no matter how great it is for a horse like Zenyatta to “have her own day”, it still feels like a demotion to me, even though that was not their intention. It comes back to constraints.

Like it or not, Sunday is out unless the BC is either run during the spring/summer or the NFL magically ceases to exist. Two consecutive Saturdays or Friday prime time isn’t on the table either, at least not with ESPN. While lacking a certain amount of flexibility due to commitments to other sports, they do get a lot out of their relationship with ESPN, such as promotion to their desired demographic + ESPN gave them more time than had originally agreed to. So, like it or not, don’t look for that to change anytime in the near future.

The saddle cloths proved to be extremely interesting. As mentioned in Land’s Talking Horses interview, they’re split internally on the issue. They’ve even done a fair amount of prototyping various permutations but haven’t found something they all can agree on. We suggested that sharing that kind of information with the public would be a great start to show that they’re not unwilling to try and address concerns.

They’re certainly interested in continuing the dialog with us, and perhaps they’ll even look to create a more formal feedback mechanism for fans as time goes on. To incorporate the existing fanbase in their decisions they rely on data they’ve gathered from surveys and some focus groups. Like most other brands/companies, they’re big on what their numbers tell them. They’re starting to get data from surveys about this year’s event and it looks like the numbers are going to tell them that it was successful. I’m hoping we can see the final report when it’s complete to see exactly how the questions were worded.

We brought print outs (and sent soft copies) of the submissions we received from SAFC. They were very grateful and started to read them immediately. The total amount of submissions? A whopping 27. It’s not that they’re not willing to listen, because they are. But if we’re gonna get a fair shake against their data, we’re gonna have to roar instead of peep. Many thanks to those who did make submissions, rest assured they’re being read and that they want to hear what we have to say.

Next time you catch yourself making an excellent point on a comment thread, blog post or discussion board about the Breeders’ Cup (or anything else racing related for that matter!), please PLEASE consider submitting it to SAFC. Even if we did all get a chance to take part in their surveys, the questions would still be theirs. You can always tell them what you think with an SAFC submission in your own words.

The bottom line is that if you want to make a point that the BC will hear, it needs to addressed through a specific prism… growth, easy adoption for new sports fans and have some numbers to back it up. And by numbers, it’s probably gonna have to be a lot more than 27. It’s not that they don’t care about existing fans, after all, they invited us to meet with them. It’s that they’ve already got us and unless we’re either willing to walk away totally or speak out in volume, I doubt much is going to change.

When they speak of this year’s BC being a success, it’s according to their internal perception of success, not what you or I might consider a success. It remains to be seen if future events will be considered a success by fans. Lord knows you can’t please everyone and it’s not like there weren’t SAFC submissions of praise or fans who thought this year totally rocked.

The only thing I can tell you for sure is that a dialog has been started, and that I hope you’ll help to continue it.

Posted by dana on Nov 17 2008    
Filed Under: Industry, Self Appointed Fan Committee, Take Back the Race, 2008, Breeders' Cup, Marketing, Racing

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Your Message Has Been Delivered

Thanks to all who submitted their feedback, your messages have been delivered!

As you might guess, it was a long meeting with LOTs of good discussion of the many issues (which means I’m WAY too tired to do a real post). It was also an open dialogue that definitely felt like a nice beginning.

I’d be willing to guess that all the attendees walked away with different takes on all that was said & discussed, so be on the look out at their blogs for some interesting recaps. I’ll do a recap in the next couple of days, but all and all I’d have to say that I think it went well.

Posted by dana on Nov 13 2008    
Filed Under: Industry, Self Appointed Fan Committee, Take Back the Race, 2008, Breeders' Cup, Marketing, Racing

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There’s Still Time…


(Sarah K. Andrew)

To let the Breeders’ Cup know what you thought about this year! We’ll be meeting with them tomorrow afternoon and delivering your feedback face to face, so please get yourself over to SAFC and submit your thoughts!

Here are a few examples of what’s been submitted so far.

There are many well respected racing journalists who should have a place at the table in regards to changes to the BC format. Steve Haskin, Rich Eng, Steven Crist, Andy Beyer, and Steve Davidowitz (to name a few) are all dedicated race writers who care about the future of the sport. I would suggest that they be appointed to an advisory committee that would work with the marketing division on racing decisions. It is important that the history of the game be respected — racing writers who have been around the game for 20+ years will have a better perspective on this than marketing people.

- Kevin, Colin’s Ghost

I’m a HUGE Breeders Cup Fan. It is my favorite day of the year. However two days which included a 1pm-7pm Saturday is too long. The sizzle of one day is lost on two. Further I believe a 6 hour day comprised of 9 races is wayyyy to long, particularly for the casual fan.
How about borrowing a page from the Sunshine Millions. Run all Breeders races on one day on two coasts, say Cali and NY,(can also go north/south etc). Run each race no more the 20 minutes apart. You would have 4 hours of EXTREME action. From a Corporate perspective you would draw from 2 major cities. It would be more attractive to TV. There would be a much better chance of attracting the casual and non fan. Yes it would be inconvenience to Jocks, Trainers and Owners, but they can adapt.

Today to be successful today you need THE HYPE and SUBSTANCE. Can you imagine the excitement that would be generated in those 4 hours. There would be nothing like it in sport or gaming!!!

The fact that there are no color coded saddle cloths could quite possibly be the biggest oversight in the game today. If there is one issue that perfectly encapsulates the short-sighted, “tradition nazis” who help keep this sport down - it is the BC saddle coth issue….

You want to draw interest and new crowds by adding features like “Ladies Day”, then create an atmosphere that NO ONE CAN FOLLOW - including veteran horseplayers…unreal.

I’ve attended many Breeder’s Cup events all over the country. It’s become much too expensive to attend anymore. $200 or more per day for lousy seats not under cover, on top of airfares and having to stay in hotels far from the event (Momouth, Santa Anita). I’ve had enough and will stay home and bet from there. And please, help out the fans and fix the saddle cloth issue.

Keep working in horse racing’s best interest and not 10-15 people who don’t have a marketing degree. The 2 day format worked and was successful.

The purple saddlecloths make it extremely difficult to follow the race and are profoundly player unfriendly. Making the choice to keep them because they are “what sets the BC apart from other events” only serves to cement the notion that the Breeders’ Cup does not care about players.

Trakus is very distracting and not a great solution either. Colored saddlecloths are the most easy and efficient method for one to identify a horse during a race. For example, players know yellow=4.

Perhaps there’s a way that the saddle could still be unique but retain a majority of the standard color, such as having the customary purple as a border of the saddlecloth.

- dana, greenbutgame.org

You can see all the submissions here (scroll down close to the bottom)

What are you waiting for, get over there and tell them what you think!

Posted by dana on Nov 12 2008    
Filed Under: Take Back the Race, Industry, Self Appointed Fan Committee, Internet, Sarah K. Andrew, Breeders' Cup, Marketing, Racing

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BC Wants to Know Your Thoughts

I posted an election inspired piece last week at Bloodhorse about participation in the process affecting change and forgot to post it here!

As mentioned prior to the Breeders’ Cup, Self Appointed Fan Committee was extended an invitation to the New York BC office to discuss/share our feedback on this year’s changes/BC in general. The meeting is this week!

Just because they’ll only be a few of us at the meeting doesn’t mean you can’t share your thoughts. Go to Self Appointed Fan Committee and make a submission (or 12) sharing your thoughts on this year’s BC.

Hate the purple saddle cloths? Love the new Filly & Mare Championship Day after all? Still think the name Ladies’ Classic has to go? Love or hate the amount and type of races? Tell them!

To quote myself from Bloodhorse (is that a sign of insanity?):

To be included in the process, one must actually participate. The door is open and they’re ready to listen, but it’s up to you to shove your foot in the door and make your voice heard.

Posted by dana on Nov 10 2008    
Filed Under: Take Back the Race, Industry, Self Appointed Fan Committee, 2008, Marketing, Fans, Breeders' Cup, Racing

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More Proof That Anything Can Happen


Dearest Trickski kicks up her heels as she schools in the paddock (Sarah K. Andrew)

If racing teaches us anything, it’s that anything can happen. Last week I was attending to some much overdue Self Appointed Fan Committee business (August and Septembers reports are posted!) when I had the good fortune to cross paths with Peter Rotondo Jr., VP of Media and Entertainment at the Breeders’ Cup.

I emailed him a SAFC submission specific to the BC TV production and was somewhat surprised that literally within 2 minutes of sending the email that not only had he responded, but he was friendly and wanted to follow up with a phone conversation! As the person in charge of the BC broadcast (from the BC perspective) you can imagine that this is a pretty busy time of the year for him, so his prompt and proactive response was extra surprising.

We played phone tag for a few days and finally got to speak over the weekend. I had no idea if he knew my ongoing position on various aspects of the Breeders’ Cup or my active involvement in the petition against the BC so I was curious, to say the least, to see how the conversation would unfold.

He’s a nice guy, very easy to talk to & we hit it off immediately. As it turns out, he’s an avid blog reader, so it was no coincidence that he wanted to talk to me! We talked for almost an hour about everything from the petition, the name change, the 2 day format, reaching out to fans, his dad (who is regular on the OTB channel in NYC and all around fun TV personality), handicapping in general (he grew up at the track and is a life long player), some new stuff they’re doing with the this year’s production (odds will be persistent on HD broadcasts) and getting celebs to the track among many other things.

I found his unbridled enthusiasm for the game endearing and infectious. It’s also always refreshing when one can have a productive and fun conversation with someone who represents what could be construed as “the opposition”. Much of the interviews coming out of the BC as of the last two weeks have made it seem as though they’re not interested in the “existing customers” / the fan’s point of view. He assures me this is not the case.

He listened and considered the points I made about the name Ladies Classic (distinguishing between the “traditionalist” point of the view and the “they’re not Ladies” point of view) and he even laughed when I mentioned that I’m calling all other F&M races ladies races (e.g., The Little Ladies) until the name is changed. He was also well aware of the fact that the NTRA, his former employer, has done a lot of good work to bring fans/players to the table and it’s paying off for them (and all of us as it turns out… funny how that works).

Not only was this initial conversation enjoyable and, in my opinion, a good sign, after the dust settles post-BC, we’ll be having some follow-up face to face conversations chez Breeders’ Cup. Given this radical and unforeseen turn of events, I’m softening my previous zero BC stance to include some watching and very small wagering on Saturday.

As mentioned before, I’m previously committed to not watch and wager on Friday (go Zenyatta!) and have already donated my bankroll (more on that to come!) so what little I do play will be only on my dime, literally!

Posted by dana on Oct 22 2008    
Filed Under: Take Back the Race, Industry, Self Appointed Fan Committee, 2008, Sarah K. Andrew, Breeders' Cup, NTRA, Santa Anita, Racing

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